Why is the South doing well?

November 2, 2006

This column is at http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/nov/13rajeev.htm

There is no point in my reposting it here (unless rediff had edited something out, which they don’t seem to have done.)

I have been intrigued by some of the comments on both parts of this column. Let me say that I was merely celebrating the 50th anniversary of the founding of the southern states. I wasn’t looking to put northern India down: if I were, I’d come straight out and say it, I wouldn’t beat about the bush and be coy. No, I was just observing that the southern states have managed to blunder along and now seem to have a teeny-weeny advantage in a globalized world.

As for language, I have mellowed a bit in my old age, but I have been quite um… shall we say, forceful, in the past on this topic. You can find four previous columns of mine here, and no, I am not going to rehash those arguments. You can believe whatever you want, and that’s fine with me, I am not trying to ‘convert’ anybody:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/sep/13rajeev.htm

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/05rajeev.htm

A small point of fact: there are nineteen or so national languages in India, every one that is printed on a rupee note. They are *all* defined as national languages in the Constitution.

Two languages get a special mention, as ‘official languages’. These are English and Hindi.

Anybody who is not convinced about the economic might of India should really read the voluminous tables in Angus Maddison’s book, which is available for free download on the Web.

Anyone who isn’t convinced of India’s tremendous contributions to intellectual property development should read an old column of mine and follow up on the links:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2004/aug/16rajeev.htm

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21 Responses to “Why is the South doing well?”

  1. tsagar Says:

    Rajeev,

    Hopefully you’ll define ‘well’ when you convert the placeholder into the promised article. I say this because I do not believe South is doing all that well. To be more precise, I believe Karnataka is doing very badly. In saying so, I trust you’ll agree with me progress in one specific field or geographical location is not equal to allround progress.

    Kannadigas are some of the most tolerant people in the world. They lack passion and strong emotions. Happy to be left alone, they have tolerated corruption on a grand scale. Corruption in Karnataka does not make headlines (as in Bihar or Nigeria) because no one bothers about it, least of all Kannadigas. Add to this a series of absolutely exasperatingly incompetent and apathetic governments and you have a situation where progress is merely coincidence.

    An example of government apathy: Bangalore. Progress is choking it! Let me recount a brief anecdote. During Diwali holidays this year (2006) a friend wanted to tour northern Karnataka (Badami, Pattadkal, Hampi and Bijapur that Rajeev speaks so poetically about). He left his house in HSR Layout in a rickshaw with his wife and one year old daughter at 7 PM to catch the Hampi express ETD 8.15 PM. He reached the station at 12 midnight!!

    Here, some diehard Bangaloreans might argue that it is a one-off case. To me such arguments seem founded more in hope than belief.

    Still, Bangalore is only a small part of Karnataka. So is the Konkan coast. There however is a very large part of Karnataka that considers progress – any kind of progress – a pipe dream. Bijapur (before being split into Bijapur and Bagalkot), Dharwar (prior to split, again), Belgaum and Gulbarga districts form this part. These are geographically humongous districts (until some eight years back Bijapur was the second largest district in India after Ladakh) with low populations and lower standards of living. Each of these four districts is endowed with more than its fair share in natural resources. Some of world’s most fertile lands are in these districts. These days canals carry waters from Krishna and her tributaries to most parts of these hitherto dry districts. Progress is nevertheless elusive.

    Simply put, government after government have ignored this area (although I have enough empirical evidence for this – budget allocation being the most prominent one – I will not go into all that for reasons of brevity).

    If you scratch the surface, you’ll find that most of the southern states have many similar stories, with the possible exception of Kerala.

    In my opinion, Rajeev’s assertion that the South is doing well, is nothing more than an urban feel-good-factor.

    Lastly, I would like to add that if ‘doing well’ is equated to the level of happiness and contentment Rajeev is closer home. Southerners are indeed a content and happy lot, barring that stretch where Naxalites hold sway.

  2. rajeev2007 Says:

    Sagar,

    I agree with you that successive governments have done far too little in Karnataka, or in the rest of the South for that matter. Tamil Nadu is a bit of an exception, as they have always had good bureaucrats. Andhra under Naidu was also pretty good at doing useful things.

    This is part of the larger problem that Indian governments have had no long-term vision of any kind: most clearly seen in the Center’s failings. Also, government has continued in the blood-sucking manner of the British, not as an enlightened entity looking to improve the lot of its citizens.

    Karnataka people have been easy-going to a fault, and this is one of the reasons why Bangalore is dominated by outsiders, creating bumpitra resentment. I also agree that Bangalore is horribly congested.

    When I say ‘doing well’, it is based on a certain self-confidence, the readiness to take on the world. Bangaloreans in particular feel that they are the equal of anybody in the world. This is a welcome change from the decades of inferiority complexes.

    There is also, undeniably, a lot of new wealth created in parts of the South, okay, the more urban parts. If you believe in some kind of trickle-down, this will eventually reach the other parts as well. All of this, in my opinion, is dependent on education. The South does do a shade better on this count.

    When I post this column, you’ll see what I mean: the value of cultural continuity.

  3. srkpriv Says:

    sagar

    You are pointing individual or single faults that happen in every state!. If you read his article it is emphasising on the overall development. We are not in a perfect society to avoid all corruption, congestion problems and so on. What he says is south is a tad-bit better in taking on the challenges and progressive in its outlook than north or other parts of india. He is not blaming others are bad or something like that!. I dont know why many people I have seen when spoken supportive of something immediately feel offended and mention the bad points!. You know it would be nice to say a few appreciating words before embarking on the rants!. This is so typical indian retort, two mothers when they speak in india, one mother says ‘My son did a very good job in school today’, and the other mother says ‘oh! my son did too’, I mean come on, where did she implied your son didn’t do well, it wouldn’t be a sin if the other mother said ‘oh! that’s great, he is a very smart boy indeed. My son is also doing similarly well now-a-days!’ isnt it?.

  4. vrkrish Says:

    I also question the basic premise in the title that south is doing well. Does it mean there is lesser corruption in south? Does it mean there is more unity and focus on progress in the south? Does it mean there is less poverty and more prosperity in south?

    I would like to strongly agree with your article except that I am not sure what I would be agreeing to. I believe it is a much more regionalised version of “feel good india”. The question is whether rise of couple of indices is worth rejoicing and declaring progress.

    When exactly do we consider that a society is doing well. Arguably I would be put it as when people have leisure enough to focus on development of arts and science and focus energies on building the society for progress. Can anyone really call our society a developed society? It is really no misnomer that we are considered a developing society. And that applies to the whole nation. And south is no more developed compared to north in this aspect. It may have better opportunity for development as it is at relative peace compared to north. But opportunity is not enough. We are really lacking in the means to achieve the development. We have not found a better model for governance and we are definitely struggling with basic issues of human survival. People in india tend to be less concerned with society and that itself is a sign of lack of advancement.

    I agree with sagar’s views about conditions of bangalore and further go on to say that that is the reality of life elsewhere too. Bangalore issue being just a bit advanced and more in focus. The ‘feel good’ factor that you mention is just that feeling. This is a feeling of the youth and youth in any generation tends to be more confident than their elders. The question is whether it is translating into any progressive benefit for the society.

    I really dont want to take a cynical outlook here, but the fact of the matter it this. If we grow compliasant too early, the real progress can never be achieved. The BJP campaign about “feel good india” which projected india in such a good light is a good example. Politicians, media etc can and will tamper with the reality to further their own goals. The reality is the feeling/suffering of an indian living through the conditions. It does not matter, for example, to a bangalore commuting in a car on patience demanding roads of bangalore, if government/media claims bangalore is at the forefront of technology. And in this case the average man is right. The fact there are more shopping centers, more businesses opening up in bangalore, has nothing much to do with progress in bangalore. It is rather a sign of imbalance in society that is actually a dangerous thing. You can see it happening in many cities in india. The government struggles with basic issues like water, food etc and business demands infrastructure and investment which will pull away funds from requirements of a agrarian neighbours. It would need a mature and uncorrupted government to be able to cater to both demands fairly, improve the developed business and also make sure lacking areas are catching up. the society (the richer one) needs to help in such a catchup. I can see that the nation is waking up to such a divide and there is a section of society thinking about corrections. In general, we have a long way to go and our religional, regional, sectional, state divisions will make things only slower.

  5. Ghost Writer Says:

    Rajeev,

    The four southern states — Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Kerala, and Tamil Nadu — now lead the country in a number of indices, including education

    Could you cite your primary and/or secondary sources for this information please? This is at variance with some numbers I saw recently at a seminar on sustainable development

  6. harbaksh Says:

    Interesting read. The author emphasized so much on south Indian culture being the reason for this progress but failed to relate how. He also refers to north being at war, thinking of it – this was mainly due geographical reasons i.e. connected borders so yes they’ve been busy protecting rest of us Indians ;-}. No doubt bangalore is doing much better than other Indian cities but it seems like IT industry is the main reason than anything else. It mostly seems like opportunity. Think of it, if Bihar was the “chosen” place for IT, and companies opened up there then software skill would find its way there. I recollect that ~22 years ago Chandigarh being considered as the hub for launching Electronics industry but the local politicians prioritized personal benefits over the long term social progress. The term “If you build it they will come” as always, worked here too. Keeping in mind the real innovations mastered in Japan and elsewhere since WWII it seems that India has just been very lucky this time around when Intel visionaries embarked upon making PC a commodity and connecting the world that the IT skill become a hot demand which India could reap upon. Having educated leaders at the very top of Govt has certainly helped establish and maintain progressive trade policies without which we all know where progress stands. I hope our leaders and luck stays around while all of us Indians keep working hard :) BTW, a side observation – I personally feel that with Hollywood focus now becoming more and more projects with offshore counterparts like Bollywood India is on the verge of taking a high ride as globalisation becomes an even more common term. Should we then say Bombay is more progressive then rest ? Nah! – remember ‘oppurtunity’.

  7. sakrut Says:

    Rajeev,
    I read the article on Rediff. I agree with most of your views, in fact, I am a fan. But, I feel that you get carried away with feelings. This specific blog is a case in point. The South IS doing well but the evidence you present is emotional and circumstantial.
    Bangalore or should I say, Bengaluroo, started off with BHEL and was called electronic city. Other electronic industries mushroomed around it and capitalised on the IT boom. Other cities, like Mumbai, were busy with other industries and were left behind, IT-wise. Hyderabad would be the only city specifically developed to take advantage of the IT boom but this is was not a far-sighted effort but learnt from Bangalore’s experience. If work ethic was a real factor, why did Chennai not develop like Mumbai in the years after independence? After all, Chennai pre-dates Mumbai by decades as a ‘British-developed city’. In fact this argument applies to Kolkatta, too. Morever, both the Tatas and the Birlas are originally from that part of the country! Then why Mumbai became First City? I could go singing about the Maharastrian ‘work ethic’, but the truth is that the first middle class developed there and hence the economic development. Even with Education and the other unnamed indices, I feel, you are looking at highly localized (or urban) indices in specific cities. Dont forget that the South also has a huge number of farmers committing suicide! If you drill down to specifics, I am sure you would find that the answer to your question is just – opportunity came knocking and someone happened to open the door!
    In any case, I do feel that the South retained its Indianness more than the North – due, again to the circumstantial reason that the North bore the brunt of the foreign onslaught. I would like to see the South return the favor by integrating with the North to spread Bharatiya Sanskriti – rather than staying insular and doing the un-indian thing of preferring English to Hindi.
    As regards to Bruce McKern, I feel, you are again over-reacting. As per the Summaries, Bruce is merely bring out different aspects about India and China and not comparing the same aspect i.e. continous civilization. A dispassionate and factual approach would go longer in convincing people like Bruce and other Indians of why our civilization is really great.

  8. hironakamura Says:

    rajeev,

    Andhra does also have a lot of problems. Apart from corruption and naxal problems, it is plagued by a lot of casteism. The division is really appalling!!

    As for the literacy rates, I am not sure if Andhra is as well off as u seem to project.

  9. Nita Says:

    CNN IBN did a story on this recently, a survey. There were some comments that they made that irritated me a great deal. I have elaborated on this at:
    http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/are-south-indians-superior-to-north-indians/
    If you like you can check it out.

  10. rajeev2007 Says:

    Folks, I am not by any means blind to the problems of southern India. In fact I am a harsh critic of my own state of Kerala, because I can see its failings more clearly. But then, there is value to optimism and to celebrating the good that there is. Glass half-full kind of thing.

    Ghostwriter, I don’t have all the figures in hand, but here are some:

    Physical Quality of Life: Kerala leads by a wide margin

    Literacy: Kerala leads

    Population Growth: this is a most intriguing one, and can be used as a gross indicator of the health of a society. In the West, most societies have stabilized and in fact are losing population. In India, Kerala is at or near Zero Population Growth. Surprisingly, Tamil Nadu is close to ZPG.

    Education: the numbers I saw imply that the number of engineering colleges — an indicator of suitability of a location for industrial growth — is quite high in the South.

    I happened to be in a hotel in Chennai on Nov 1st and happened to turn on the TV. They were spewing out all sorts of statistics and numbers about the South that seemed to imply it was marginally better than the rest of the country.

    Nita, thank you for the pointer. I was unfortunate enough to catch the same utterly pathetic performance on TV. I found out who this presenter was, and it reminded me why I never watch Indian English-language TV. The same geniuses from the print media appear on TV as well, and their inanity is unbearable.

  11. dmohanty Says:

    Please provide the source of your assertion that “Indian civilisation also goes back at least 9,000 years”. It will be great if you can point to any published material as well.

  12. anilrao Says:

    Rajeev

    I am an avid reader of your articles and was more so this time as the article was about south. My take is that you have got your basic facts right but then you fail in using your facts to support your theory.

    You reason that the cultural rootedness of South India is the driving factor behind this recent surge. A fish can take to water and a bird to air any time, no matter how long you keep them in captivity. One of the strongest economies of the world, Japan had a severe set back during World War II. Japanese have fought back their way hard. You spoke about the atrocities on Bengalis during British time and the resulting expressional barricade. The national anthem that we sing today is written by a Bengali during that period. It is a fact that Bengal has produced the premier Indian literature even though it had a large Muslim population (indicating the possible suppression of original Hindu culture). Just like your state Kerala, communism is what has held Bengal back in recent times.

    The current state of Northern India is due to the social unrest born out of terrorism. Give North Indians a free atmosphere to prosper, they will show their metal as well.
    The IT Industry which gave recognition to India (Southern India) chose Bangalore as the first choice because of the terrain, weather and massive educational institutes. Make a note that it is only the Urban centers which are developed, the very areas which do not really shelter the culture unlike in the sub-urban and rural areas. So where is the cultural influence here?

    Two factors that are in South’s advantage are the preference to English compared to Hindi (as in the north), which is important to be a part of Global Economy and the centuries old inclination towards mathematics (Ramanujam was a South Indian) and its influence on Computer Science. Another factor is the sheer absence of a driving economy in the south unlike Mumbai(West), Delhi(North) and Calcutta(East), encouraging everyone to jump on the IT band wagon.

    However the IT firms set up in South India really haven’t shown their spirit yet by embarking on a mission of their own. It has been the age old slavery in the manner of rendering IT services to fortune companies.

    Two factors that help some one attain new height are 1) Freedom of expression 2) Being away from home land. You can relate this to the success of USA with immigrants coming into America in search of a new life. The continued culture of Native Indians in USA has been suppressed to the core, having no influence on its global dominance. As a passing comment, North Indian employees have a major share in the success of IT firms in South India.

    You pointed out the Mogul atrocities in the north. Andhra Pradesh had seen the same even until the end of British Raj. Then why are the Andhrites doing good ? They should be down with their spirit, especially in Hyderabad. Answer is simple, it is whether you have contemporary freedom for expression and the inherent talent to express !

    – Anil Rao

  13. digpatra Says:

    Dear Mr Rajiv Srinivasan,
    Your article unnecessarily drags a correlation between present success of South India in engineering sectors with retention of its distinctive cultures, language and cuisines by totally ignoring scientific justification to it. Every Indian is proud of South India for its distinct culture, heritage, language and cuisine in social point of view; however, there is no justification of your theory to its recent success in engineering and science based industrial boom. Sometime your arguments look foolish?

    Your theory can not explain about the historical success of USA, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, UK, Germany, Switzerland, Australia, Norway, etc. In Indian context it also totally fails to explain industrial boom of West Bengal in 1950s, that of Maharastra and Gujrat in 1980s & 1990s. In business and commerce, Maharsatra and Gujrat are still ahead of many South Indian states. Even you have ignored other social index by just focusing on going industrialization in engineering sectors, mainly fueled by media hyped IT & BT. Other northern states like Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Gujarat are quite ahead of AP, Karnataka, and Tamil Nadu (except Kerala) in many social index and quality of life they offer to their citizens.

    I will say rather South India is relatively performing better recently due to its large pool of technical and higher educated skilled human resource and its nothing to do with its retention of historical (Indian) untouched civilization. Investment in private engineering colleges and higher studies started in South India roughly three decades ago and it is paying back now. This time was quite earlier than many other states in India invested in this area. The only non-south Indian state which started investing in private engineering college and higher studies at that point of time was Maharastra which is equally competitive with other South Indian states. In commerce and business Maharastra is still ahead of all South Indian states and three of its cities like Mumbai, Navi Mumbai, and Pune are equally competitive with Bangalore, Hyderabad and Chennai for IT and biotech industries. So, correlation between investment in human resource (in higher education, engineering, management and science by generating higher number of skilled man power at low wages) and recent success story of South India would hold better both logically and practically. This is evident from the case of China, Malaysia, Rusia, Poland and Philippines as well.

    It is just an accidental coincidence between recent success (relative) of South India and older Indian civilization. Historically industrial growth has brought cosmopolitan culture and life to a region terrifying local cultures, language and tastes. That happened earlier to other industrial cities in India and this is happening presently in Bangalore, Hyderabad, and Chennai.

    In final words, in few years glorifying terms like distinctive cultures, language and cuisines would bear the same meaning across Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai, Kolkata, Delhi, Bhubaneswar or Hyderabad by having many similar MacDonald food chain and Reliance Fresh outlets, indeed, South India is coming to age, so do our beloved India!
    Thanks and regards
    Digambara

  14. tsagar Says:

    Heavens!!!

    We are getting worked up, aren’t we? I remember reading somewhere (Please do not ask me to substantiate / corroborate / prove this point. Also, please do not ask me for links). It seems just after independence some harebrained politician wanted to allow Indian states to maintain their own individual military forces (seems incredible but in Incredible India, eminently possible). Sardar Patel had vetoed this.

    Now, looking at the kind of acrimonious discussions taking place here on something as innocuous as anniversary of formation of southern states, I shudder to think what would have happened if states were indeed allowed to have their own militaries.

    All of you gentle folk prone to the ‘taut nerves on internet’ syndrome, do please visit my blog at http://www.tsagar.wordpress.com. It might bring a smile or two and is more my domain – than chauvinistic punditry.

  15. asbeg Says:

    Sorry to say this, but this article was not logically written as ‘the south ascent’.

    the phrase “places that faced jihads, violent conversions and loss of cultural continuity” is not correct. jihad means ‘holy war’ and it is a last resort when nothing can be done to extinguish the fire. You can’t point, indirectly, that jihad results loss of culture. moreover, religion spread from the coastal regions, so how can you say that south was less affected from imperialism and conquest?

    secondly, you can’t or anybody say that education is the reason. majority of the people study in good colleges, even though they are becoming more uncivilised. why ? Due to television culture!

    But yes, south is re-developing!!!

  16. dhara Says:

    Intresting article, though the south north issues could bring the DMK politics into mind.

    The article is audacious, it doesn’t subscribe to the colonial burden of civillization, which indeed stole the wealth of Bharat. It is a jolt to lot of people brainwashed by JNU sepoys.

    That Karnataka is technologically doing well without paying obeisance to civillizational burden is simple yet powerful statement. That in simple efforts, without accepting Mao or some other guy as saviour, natives could learn technology is uncomfortable to vast industry of civillizing modern mafia memorizing marxist koran.

    Showing dreams of devlopment, many in highplaces are robbing innocence and peace of people. Many spread dogmas from racist european colonial sources to succeed as dream merchants and intellectuals. The idea of cultural continuety and devlopment is indeed a good idea. It jolts some of the powerful sepoys.

  17. alexmthomas Says:

    Rajeev,

    The point i found encouraging was the phrase you uses ‘re-developing’. Yes, most people have either forgotten or are ignorant about that fact that India was a powerful and developed country before the British invasion.

    India is also a seat of diverse and varied cultures which acts both as a boon and a bane. I call it a boon because the interactions between people of diverse cultures bring contribute significantly ot art, literature and a bit to sciences. It is a bane in the wake of recent ‘Globalisation’.

    Globalisation tries to make this world a ‘global village’ and in Friedman’s words ‘a flatter place’ implying that it strives to do away with diversity. These days, one cannot secure a good employment without the knowledge of English. Why?

  18. bjvish Says:

    I guess it is a no-brainer that South is far better than North, as the latter contains the India’s most problematic and under-developed states like Bihar, Jharkhand, Madya Pradesh, UP, Rajastan, Kashmir … Except for relatively smaller states like Punjab, Haryana and to some extent Maharashtra, Gujarat, North India is in state of deep trouble.

    Modern India’s successes are based on suburbs around Delhi, Mumbai and the states of Punjab/Haryana, Gujrat and South India, while the rest seem to still mimic Sub-saharan Africa. Unless we get those BiMaRU states out, India has to sink with their failures.

  19. gureek Says:

    You cannot compare North and south India, its like comparing Sugar and Salt. Both have there own importance. I can confront with you at many points where you say that civilisation ceased in North India, Mohammedan conquest and Christian imperialism affected North more than south.
    But why I should talk about this Shit of comparison. Why you are publishing these articles and highlighting differences between Indians?
    Recently I read joke:
    An English man came to visit India and when he went back, everybody asked how was he explained about the food, places, music, dance…etc.. then somebody asked how good are Indians? At this he said I dint meet and Indian I met Punjabies, Gujraties, Bengalis, Tamils…
    So mind it ….and don’t try to highlight differences……

  20. ramka Says:

    Hi,
    I am from Maharastra and stayed in Bangalore for last 6 years.
    I have some observations:-
    1)Typically all the four states are differentiating themselves from rest of India since ages. Generally any ad will appear biggest in south India etc….
    2)They feel any state in India is NORTH India be it Maharastra, Gujarat or West Bengal.
    3)They are very conservative and socialising is big NO NO. Even you can not hope your south indian neighbour approching you for an introduction.
    4)Generally ppl from rest of India will come to visit South India when they are in their 50 to visit spiritual palces but south indians are not eager to explore anything outside South India.
    5)These four states, even if we agree that whatever they did was good, never felt need for one common language that will link common ppl across the states. Becoz of IT ppl from all the four states talk to each other in english but what about remaining 90% population So forget to teach then Hindi.
    6)The conservative nature also is reflected in industrialisation. Before IT, they were not open to industries. Since IT requires white collar english spaeking labours, they experimented with Bangalore which due to good climate fared well (inspite of power shortage, infrastructure etc) Now all these 4 states are in race.
    7)These 4 states were safegurded by northen states in history. Mughal and other invaders came till Maharastra. This also helped them to keep their culture intact. But they don’t erealise it when they say north indian are aggressive. The typical aggressive nature only can help to protect our northen boundries.
    8)I am still looking for atleast 4 well known names of freedom fighters from these states.

    Being Maharastrian I am happy that
    Maharastra never took IT seriously otherwise Mumbai & Pune would have crumbled. And good manufacturing companies still prefer Maharastra. I strogly feel manufacturing companies do a lot good to society than IT companies. They pay local taxes & excise. For 1 guy in comapy there are 20 guys outside the compaines at vendors place to work be it Tea shop, vendors etc. If the sames soaps were offered to manufacturing industry, it would have done something better than what IT has done.

  21. vivekmittal Says:

    Dear Mr Srinivasan

    I dont agree south is doing better than north
    The fastest growing zone in india at the moment is the National Capital Region, and many international surveys have established that NCR cities like faridabad, , Ghaziabad, Noida, Gurgaon etc are the fastest growing cities not only in india
    Punjab, haryana, Himanchal Pradesh, Delhi and Western Uttar Pradesh form the most prosperous region in india with highest per capita income, infrastructure and quality of life. Also the poverty incidences in the above mention region is from 5 to 9% while in southern states it is from 15 to 25%

    I dont understand why you feel that south is more culturally rich as everything which represents India comes from North..For example

    Hinduism- All Hindu Mythology is based in north only, be it Lord rama, Krishna, or the Great Mahabharata, be it the holy rivers of ganga/yamuna or the holy cities of Hardwar, varanasi, prayag etc

    Hindi language- Obviously North

    National capital-Delhi

    Taj mahal-In North

    All Historical greats like Asoka the great, Akbar the great, rana Pratap, Prithviraj Chauhan

    Alexender was defeated by Porus..again North

    Entire Indian Freedom struggle was lead and fought by North

    North Indians have historically lead India , be it the ancient time of Asoka or the Modern times of Gandhi-nehrus

    Barring one or two, All the big corporate groups in india are run by North indians

    Vivek Mittal


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