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		<title>By: pulikeshi</title>
		<link>http://rajeev2007.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-south-ascendant/#comment-149</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; Coming to the script used, there can’t be much &gt;&gt;confusion between Telugu script and the Halegannada
&gt;&gt;(Old Kannada) script. The latter looked similar to &gt;&gt;Tamil. Contemporary Kannada script (Hosagannada) was &gt;&gt;not around during Vijayanagara time

Kannada script never looked like Tamil script at all. Look up the &quot;Halmidi Shaasana&quot; for instance believed to be the oldest Kannada inscription dating back to 450 A.D and you&#039;ll see it looks nothing like Tamil at all; you can already see its resemblance to the modern script. Very rearly in its inception, Kannada, unlike Tamil, incorporated all the sounds of Sanskrit, so the script had to be very different from Tamil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; Coming to the script used, there can’t be much &gt;&gt;confusion between Telugu script and the Halegannada<br />
&gt;&gt;(Old Kannada) script. The latter looked similar to &gt;&gt;Tamil. Contemporary Kannada script (Hosagannada) was &gt;&gt;not around during Vijayanagara time</p>
<p>Kannada script never looked like Tamil script at all. Look up the &#8220;Halmidi Shaasana&#8221; for instance believed to be the oldest Kannada inscription dating back to 450 A.D and you&#8217;ll see it looks nothing like Tamil at all; you can already see its resemblance to the modern script. Very rearly in its inception, Kannada, unlike Tamil, incorporated all the sounds of Sanskrit, so the script had to be very different from Tamil.</p>
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		<title>By: asbeg</title>
		<link>http://rajeev2007.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-south-ascendant/#comment-116</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rajeev, you wrote a splendid clipping! it&#039;s a great thing he mentioned that nov 01 was the golden jubilee-you upgraded my gray cells.  75% I agree with you.  
the cons were u shouldn&#039;t mention Orrisa in ur wish list. In my opinion, I didn&#039;t like the people; just like the BIMARU states. Also, the 4 states you mentioned that karnataka is my favourite. 

Alhamdulilah, i have travelled the whole south, but i found that Karnataka, especially bangalore, is polluted a lot. i have been a resident there some months ago. to my dismay, I found that it is quite different from other south regions- it has also become a BIMARU state and it has lost its cultural  flavour. the ethics and etiquettes are almost like the  north. drop karnataka and add pondicherry to your list. Go there, you will love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rajeev, you wrote a splendid clipping! it&#8217;s a great thing he mentioned that nov 01 was the golden jubilee-you upgraded my gray cells.  75% I agree with you.<br />
the cons were u shouldn&#8217;t mention Orrisa in ur wish list. In my opinion, I didn&#8217;t like the people; just like the BIMARU states. Also, the 4 states you mentioned that karnataka is my favourite. </p>
<p>Alhamdulilah, i have travelled the whole south, but i found that Karnataka, especially bangalore, is polluted a lot. i have been a resident there some months ago. to my dismay, I found that it is quite different from other south regions- it has also become a BIMARU state and it has lost its cultural  flavour. the ethics and etiquettes are almost like the  north. drop karnataka and add pondicherry to your list. Go there, you will love it!</p>
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		<title>By: catchharish</title>
		<link>http://rajeev2007.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-south-ascendant/#comment-114</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple ( and beautiful) piece of prose describing Rajeev&#039;s journey to the South and his expression of happiness at the region&#039;s growth has eventually (not suprisingly) ended into a full blown case of hating South(espescially Tamils and their language).

It is very very sad and downright stupid to equate love of the land and patriotism to speaking/ understanding Hindi. They are NOT analagous by any stretch of imagination.

People who constantly cringe and complaint about Tamil, hardly know anything about the language(its history dates as far back as Sanskrit) and more importanly have yet to rise about the stereotypes that surround things/ppl from South.

Also lets not involve the politicians or their brand of politics from TN in this dicussion.Their brand of politics is despicable and condemenable, but the lack of an alternative in the state is the reality. They are hardly representative of the people of that state(that is true for every Indian state or even India).

One of the bloggers who seems to be from the North seems to have a refreshingly honest take on this issue (AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE). For many of these guys here who seem to think otherwise take a look at this

http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/are-south-indians-superior-to-north-indians/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple ( and beautiful) piece of prose describing Rajeev&#8217;s journey to the South and his expression of happiness at the region&#8217;s growth has eventually (not suprisingly) ended into a full blown case of hating South(espescially Tamils and their language).</p>
<p>It is very very sad and downright stupid to equate love of the land and patriotism to speaking/ understanding Hindi. They are NOT analagous by any stretch of imagination.</p>
<p>People who constantly cringe and complaint about Tamil, hardly know anything about the language(its history dates as far back as Sanskrit) and more importanly have yet to rise about the stereotypes that surround things/ppl from South.</p>
<p>Also lets not involve the politicians or their brand of politics from TN in this dicussion.Their brand of politics is despicable and condemenable, but the lack of an alternative in the state is the reality. They are hardly representative of the people of that state(that is true for every Indian state or even India).</p>
<p>One of the bloggers who seems to be from the North seems to have a refreshingly honest take on this issue (AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE). For many of these guys here who seem to think otherwise take a look at this</p>
<p><a href="http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/are-south-indians-superior-to-north-indians/" rel="nofollow">http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/are-south-indians-superior-to-north-indians/</a></p>
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		<title>By: trulyindian</title>
		<link>http://rajeev2007.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-south-ascendant/#comment-113</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rajeev,

The very first thing thats falwed with the article is the title itself.
&quot;India is rising and South is making major contributions&quot; - I am with you.

Dear srkpriv - &quot;Imposition&quot; ? may be u need another word cause there are certain things imposed on you when u were born...

U were born Indian - imposed on you
U r national anthem - imposed on you
U r national flag - imposed on you
many more thing and like wise your National Language

You dont have a choice here my dear friend.And just so you have more calrity of our country...every state in the North have its own language too(Bihar - bhojpuri,Gujarat - gujarati,MP- malwi,Maharashtra - marathi, Rajasthan - mewari,rajasthani,Punjab - punjabi )....but we have to align ourselves to a common stream...

I guess its the regional environment in Chennai which makes this all sick because i have had many childhood tamilian friends back in Bombay and they never had this kind of thought process...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rajeev,</p>
<p>The very first thing thats falwed with the article is the title itself.<br />
&#8220;India is rising and South is making major contributions&#8221; &#8211; I am with you.</p>
<p>Dear srkpriv &#8211; &#8220;Imposition&#8221; ? may be u need another word cause there are certain things imposed on you when u were born&#8230;</p>
<p>U were born Indian &#8211; imposed on you<br />
U r national anthem &#8211; imposed on you<br />
U r national flag &#8211; imposed on you<br />
many more thing and like wise your National Language</p>
<p>You dont have a choice here my dear friend.And just so you have more calrity of our country&#8230;every state in the North have its own language too(Bihar &#8211; bhojpuri,Gujarat &#8211; gujarati,MP- malwi,Maharashtra &#8211; marathi, Rajasthan &#8211; mewari,rajasthani,Punjab &#8211; punjabi )&#8230;.but we have to align ourselves to a common stream&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess its the regional environment in Chennai which makes this all sick because i have had many childhood tamilian friends back in Bombay and they never had this kind of thought process&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anilrao</title>
		<link>http://rajeev2007.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-south-ascendant/#comment-103</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rajeev

  I am a Tulu Kannadiga. Tulu has a script of its own even though it is not in contemporary use. Look for Wikipedia article on Tulu, which also mentions that Tulu may be the first dravidian language, given its rudimentary nature, which is open for debate.

  Your note on Vijayanagara empire having majority Telugu speaking  subjects is a news to me. So far I didn&#039;t even know that there was a debate on this. I did some research. There are many stories on the rise of Vijanaga empire which is located at the border of Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh. Hakka and Bukka, the founders are referred to be from KURUBA cult, which is a Kannada word. Referring to California in 21st centrury as the 7th economy of the world with Los Angeles as its largest city with majority hispanic population does not mean that hispanics alone contributed to the success of California or that they built it or that they nurtured it. My cousin who was brought up in Bellary, Karnataka learnt Kannada language with her teacher using Telugu as the medium. Across the border in Mantralaya you get to hear Kannada. So it is quite possible that there were Telugu speaking people in Vijayanagara. Hakka and Bukka themselves were working in Warangal before they built the empire.

Coming to the script used, there can&#039;t be much confusion between Telugu script and the Halegannada (Old Kannada) script. The latter looked similar to Tamil. Contemporary Kannada script (Hosagannada) was not around during Vijayanagara time.

Only fact that supports your theory is the Telugu influence seen to date in Sringeri Vidya Peeta. Hakka-Bukka&#039;s Guru Vidyaranya aka Madhwa Bhatta was the Jagadguru from Sringeri Mutt. Sringeri is well inside Karnataka !

- Anil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rajeev</p>
<p>  I am a Tulu Kannadiga. Tulu has a script of its own even though it is not in contemporary use. Look for Wikipedia article on Tulu, which also mentions that Tulu may be the first dravidian language, given its rudimentary nature, which is open for debate.</p>
<p>  Your note on Vijayanagara empire having majority Telugu speaking  subjects is a news to me. So far I didn&#8217;t even know that there was a debate on this. I did some research. There are many stories on the rise of Vijanaga empire which is located at the border of Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh. Hakka and Bukka, the founders are referred to be from KURUBA cult, which is a Kannada word. Referring to California in 21st centrury as the 7th economy of the world with Los Angeles as its largest city with majority hispanic population does not mean that hispanics alone contributed to the success of California or that they built it or that they nurtured it. My cousin who was brought up in Bellary, Karnataka learnt Kannada language with her teacher using Telugu as the medium. Across the border in Mantralaya you get to hear Kannada. So it is quite possible that there were Telugu speaking people in Vijayanagara. Hakka and Bukka themselves were working in Warangal before they built the empire.</p>
<p>Coming to the script used, there can&#8217;t be much confusion between Telugu script and the Halegannada (Old Kannada) script. The latter looked similar to Tamil. Contemporary Kannada script (Hosagannada) was not around during Vijayanagara time.</p>
<p>Only fact that supports your theory is the Telugu influence seen to date in Sringeri Vidya Peeta. Hakka-Bukka&#8217;s Guru Vidyaranya aka Madhwa Bhatta was the Jagadguru from Sringeri Mutt. Sringeri is well inside Karnataka !</p>
<p>- Anil</p>
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		<title>By: anilrao</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear srkpriv 

  It is true that when the south was not prosperous, south indians were looked down upon by few sections of the crowd from north. We still need to give respect to Hindi as our national language, learn it to the core, and when someone makes a mockery of south indians&#039; language skills, we need to give a fitting answer in Hindi.

  Being a Kannadiga I have to thank Hindi Prachara Sabha from Tamil Nadu in helping me learn Hindi to a better level. Seclusion from main stream is not a good thing. I hope the outlook about Hindi changes in Tamilnadu some time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear srkpriv </p>
<p>  It is true that when the south was not prosperous, south indians were looked down upon by few sections of the crowd from north. We still need to give respect to Hindi as our national language, learn it to the core, and when someone makes a mockery of south indians&#8217; language skills, we need to give a fitting answer in Hindi.</p>
<p>  Being a Kannadiga I have to thank Hindi Prachara Sabha from Tamil Nadu in helping me learn Hindi to a better level. Seclusion from main stream is not a good thing. I hope the outlook about Hindi changes in Tamilnadu some time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: srkpriv</title>
		<link>http://rajeev2007.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-south-ascendant/#comment-97</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@vjsingh
&quot;Well this is true but the people in the south and particularly Tamils are alike, they are so chauvinistic &quot;

No body is imposing you any language like how northies do!.  We are not asking you to learn tamil or other languages as part of the school curriculum we are asking you to pick it up when you are atleast in south.  We learn the language whereever we go!.  But we dont want to learn &#039;hindi&#039; just because we might go to north or something.  Where as the government is imposing &#039;hindi&#039; on everybody in the name of unity. We are not hating &#039;hindi&#039; we are just fighting its imposition that&#039;s it!.  My patriotism is gonna come in tamil and I dont care and it is not my problem you cant understand it or comprehend it!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@vjsingh<br />
&#8220;Well this is true but the people in the south and particularly Tamils are alike, they are so chauvinistic &#8221;</p>
<p>No body is imposing you any language like how northies do!.  We are not asking you to learn tamil or other languages as part of the school curriculum we are asking you to pick it up when you are atleast in south.  We learn the language whereever we go!.  But we dont want to learn &#8216;hindi&#8217; just because we might go to north or something.  Where as the government is imposing &#8216;hindi&#8217; on everybody in the name of unity. We are not hating &#8216;hindi&#8217; we are just fighting its imposition that&#8217;s it!.  My patriotism is gonna come in tamil and I dont care and it is not my problem you cant understand it or comprehend it!.</p>
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		<title>By: srkpriv</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hey, give the Tams *some* credit. They came up with suicide bombing before the Mullahs did.&quot;

You guys were the first to invent how to shoot a PM being a body guard!.  You guys are good for nothing what you guys can do is spit pan and guthka on each other and call it a holi!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey, give the Tams *some* credit. They came up with suicide bombing before the Mullahs did.&#8221;</p>
<p>You guys were the first to invent how to shoot a PM being a body guard!.  You guys are good for nothing what you guys can do is spit pan and guthka on each other and call it a holi!.</p>
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		<title>By: srkpriv</title>
		<link>http://rajeev2007.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-south-ascendant/#comment-95</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vjsingh&quot;And ploitics ( why all the electronics manufacturing companies are coming up in TN.. this because of Dayanidhi using influence in Central Govt to push all the telecom,IT FDI to Chennai, TN) &quot;

HE IS DOINT SQUAT TO TAMIL-NADU GOVERNMENT FYI!. Bringing industries and companies is a STATE MATTER. They are the ones who can give tax breaks, lands and so on and hence they are the one who do things!.  The central minister is not influencing or directing the investments.  Tamil-Nadu has very less central ministers in its history but regardless tamil-nadu has consistently performed well in attracting industries.  Mostly due its good ports and other infrastructure facilities.  Dravidians are generally (note generally) very progessive minded and hence its is no surprise!.  When Nokia came to tamil-nadu the government was AIADMK (which is opposing part of Marans party).  Not only that Jaya brought BMW also and in her previous terms (without any ministries in centre) she brought Ford and Hyundai as well to tamil-nadu.

So do other states in terms of attracting industries they are doing a great job!.  If Maran were to send things to tamil-nadu he would have sent the SemIndia as well to tamil-nadu, but, all four states of south competed very very intense for that project but it went to andhra finally!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vjsingh&#8221;And ploitics ( why all the electronics manufacturing companies are coming up in TN.. this because of Dayanidhi using influence in Central Govt to push all the telecom,IT FDI to Chennai, TN) &#8221;</p>
<p>HE IS DOINT SQUAT TO TAMIL-NADU GOVERNMENT FYI!. Bringing industries and companies is a STATE MATTER. They are the ones who can give tax breaks, lands and so on and hence they are the one who do things!.  The central minister is not influencing or directing the investments.  Tamil-Nadu has very less central ministers in its history but regardless tamil-nadu has consistently performed well in attracting industries.  Mostly due its good ports and other infrastructure facilities.  Dravidians are generally (note generally) very progessive minded and hence its is no surprise!.  When Nokia came to tamil-nadu the government was AIADMK (which is opposing part of Marans party).  Not only that Jaya brought BMW also and in her previous terms (without any ministries in centre) she brought Ford and Hyundai as well to tamil-nadu.</p>
<p>So do other states in terms of attracting industries they are doing a great job!.  If Maran were to send things to tamil-nadu he would have sent the SemIndia as well to tamil-nadu, but, all four states of south competed very very intense for that project but it went to andhra finally!.</p>
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		<title>By: srkpriv</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metlin&gt;&gt;

You are a moron! You know why you are a moron!.  Because reality is very different from fantasy.  You must be one frustrated northie from one of those BIMARU states that is begging the developed states of the South to survive. Your view as to southies are dark! will carry you only so much regardless news to you 80% of indians are brown or light brown or dark skinned only!. I can read your frustrations very easily!.  north inspite of its lofty fantasy hasn&#039;t produced a single achievement in the last 1000s years and they were b**t f**ed by every arab/turk/mongol on their way to India and so no wonder you guys are so F***ed up in your life!.  On the other hand my dear Metlin South has excelled and has survived well in its relative geographic distant location.  North is definitely a failed state congregated by inferior northies while south on the other hand is inhabited by superior dravidians who have proven that they can survive and be successful in every walks of life!. So you can drag your inferior northie a*s to your homeland and sit in the corner and cry why you are such a failed race and a society as a whole!.

Goals  Team
0      North
1      South</description>
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<p>You are a moron! You know why you are a moron!.  Because reality is very different from fantasy.  You must be one frustrated northie from one of those BIMARU states that is begging the developed states of the South to survive. Your view as to southies are dark! will carry you only so much regardless news to you 80% of indians are brown or light brown or dark skinned only!. I can read your frustrations very easily!.  north inspite of its lofty fantasy hasn&#8217;t produced a single achievement in the last 1000s years and they were b**t f**ed by every arab/turk/mongol on their way to India and so no wonder you guys are so F***ed up in your life!.  On the other hand my dear Metlin South has excelled and has survived well in its relative geographic distant location.  North is definitely a failed state congregated by inferior northies while south on the other hand is inhabited by superior dravidians who have proven that they can survive and be successful in every walks of life!. So you can drag your inferior northie a*s to your homeland and sit in the corner and cry why you are such a failed race and a society as a whole!.</p>
<p>Goals  Team<br />
0      North<br />
1      South</p>
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